Apologetics Sans Rebuttal: The La-La-La Factor

I use Google News to typically start my day. My news topics are personalized so I may filter out entertainment news (which is getting harder and harder as news these days seems to be centered as entertainment. It no longer seems to be “the news”.) I can also filter out Fox noise if I want to, although it’s fun to check in on the latest craziness being reported as “fair and balanced”.

One of my subject news filters is atheism. Google news brings me stories not only about atheists and atheism but reactions to “the new atheism”.

[First off just let me say this, atheism isn’t new. It’s simply more vocal and noticeable in the age of internet communication and because the numbers of “out” atheists have gotten much larger. Now certain parties view atheists as revenue generators. More importantly is that they view atheists as a way to stir up their tested and true source of income, the “christians”.]

So daily there are stories about how Fort Worth is stirred up over atheist bus ads and billboards in front of the Lincoln Tunnel finally coming out and saying, ‘look the whole story was contrived like Tawana Brawley’s‘. (Ok substitute garbage bag for manger, three white men for three wise men, you get the picture…)

There are the stories to stir up anger at atheists. Rally round the cross boys the atheists are comin’ the atheists’ are comin’ and Fox of course brings out their big guns like Gretchen Carlson to declare her war on the “atheist war on christmas”…

But one thing I seem to be seeing more and more in online news stories and blog posts is that the christian apologists aren’t allowing rebuttals. They are turning off the comments boards. They are putting out their gibberish and allowing no response.

For example the Clarion Ledger in Mississippi runs what amounts to a press release for the Wesley Biblical Seminary who “is trying to combat the “new atheism” movement with an Apologetics degree program”

Now there were a number of points that I would surely have loved to raise about this “article”. For one their definition of Apologetics left something to be desired.

Apologetics is a term derived from the Greek word “apologia” that means “to make the case for or defend the truthfulness of the Christian faith,” said professor Steve Blakemore, who leads the program with Steve Tsoukalas. “People often (mistakenly) think it means ‘apologizing’ for the Christian faith.

They always have to throw “truthfulness” in there. See that’s the thing about apologists, it’s tough work trying to defend an indefensible standpoint without a bedrock of facts to stand on. Like the nativity myth, like the roman church putting christ’s birthday in December, like the “virgin birth”…

The christians see this as a war. Christians seem to be fixated on war aren’t they? Onward christian soldiers, eh what?

Atheists on the other hand simply view this as setting the record straight. The facts will set you free. Which reminds me of my favorite quote by Frederick Douglass, “I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs” I have that quote on a t-shirt and once had to spend about 10 minutes explaining it to a checker at the grocery who was wearing a WWJD bracelet. (but I digress)

Getting back to the article the seminary also has an outreach program,

The center has adopted two Broadmoor area schools – Chastain Middle School and Boyd Elementary.

“At Chastain, we are doing a mentoring program called Ripple Effects,” Cooper said. “It covers things like controlling your impulses, citizenship, listening, forgiveness, respect, friendship-making and knowing how to talk to your parents.”

Students also will participate in intramural sports, cultural trips and drama programs on Saturdays.

“We want to join hands with the parents to affect change in the school system,” Cooper said. “We really want to be a model program for the entire Jackson community.”

Oh I am so sure that they will keep scripture completely out of it. Let’s see it for what it is, an indoctrination program with an inroad to public schools. I smell a case for the ACLU. There is a line of separation being crossed here. I would have liked to comment on this piece to raise a few points of rebuttal but the comments were disabled and you may only comment on the article by contacting the same person who has on Twitter “If you are a church leader who would like to be added to The Clarion-Ledger’s religion e-mail list, contact lrucker@jackson.gannett.com.”
Somehow I doubt my response would get printed. Remember newspapers make money off their religion advertisements.

But I am heartened by the “no comments allowed” tactics. It means we have them on the run. Mythrepresentation always falls eventually to facts.

They just La-la-la louder and louder

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8 Responses to Apologetics Sans Rebuttal: The La-La-La Factor

  1. Erik Brewer says:

    I think you confused Apologia with the atheist’s tactics. If I cannot win in the area of facts then I will attack you. Does that sound familiar? In other words, let’s stay away from the facts and focus on beating you down with insults. Seems to work for your Froggy friend. Or if that does not work, spin it and make the Christian look like the aggressor (that should also ring a bell for ya).

    • NoSacredCow says:

      Read the post again Eric. You seem to have a problem with reading comprehension.

      The point is I’ve allowed you to comment. To present your argument.

      You just have a knack of proving the side opposite to yours as correct.

      Keep up the good work. We appreciate all that you do. Seriously. It makes our job so much easier.

      We might make you an honorary atheist.

  2. Erik Brewer says:

    Here’s a fun fact for ya since you love to deal in facts. You wanted me to visit your favorite heathen site SAB, and here are some facts that I found.

    “And Cain knew his wife.” That’s nice, but where the hell did she come from? The Bible doesn’t mention any of Cain’s sisters. Well, maybe he married his mom. In any case, Cain and the mysterious Mrs. Cain have a son (another blue cigar!). His name is Enoch and he builds a city (population 3). 4:17

    The Bible does mention Cain’s sisters. Take a quick look at the facts my friend.
    When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.
    Genesis 5:4: The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters.
    Genesis 5:5: Thus all the days that Adam lived were 930 years, and he died.

    Cain found his wife among the daughters of Adam and Eve. Keep in mind this was some 2,000 years before the Law was given, which condemned incest, so there was no law being broken .

    • NoSacredCow says:

      What truly amazes me is that you actually believe any of the old testament as facts. It tells me a whole about you.
      You say the incest was ok but that was before the law was given.
      The Skeptic’s Annotated Bible just brought up the question of where they came from, it didn’t pass judgment on what Cain did. You did that in your own way.
      How is your sister/wife by the way?

      Look if you want to read fantasy, maybe you might want to try Roald Dahl and read ‘Charlie and the Chocolate Factory” and “James and the Giant Peach”.
      Much better tales, much better reads and better morals to the stories. And seagulls flying away teathered to a giant peach has about as much chance of being true as a talking burning bush.

  3. Erik Brewer says:

    Do not murder, is that fantasy? Do not lie. Do not steal. Do not commit adultery (tough one for the atheists, I know). Are those all fantasy? Are those not good morals? Get a clue dude.

    Plus, I pointed out the mistake that you SAB friends made. An obvious mistake, yet you just jumped right over that and went to the judgment and personal attacks. Again, I pointed out a fact to an atheist and instead of saying, “you are right and I was wrong” full of pride you attack me personally. That is they way you guys work. I pointed it out and then you backed it up with some solid evidence, thanks.

    • NoSacredCow says:

      I’m going to turn you off now because
      A) you did not reread my original post which is about christian sites not allowing any comment at all and simply shouting down those who point fingers at thwe naked idiocy of it all. (Again you are proving my point)
      B) You referred to a comment on another blogger’s post and you jump on this blog in order to continue your attacks. So You are the one who is making the attacks. I simply responded to your blind ignorance.
      C) you don’t have a leg to stand on with your arguments and should really spend a little time looking at the list of fallacious arguments. You’ve hit a number of them in the few posts I’ve allowed you to make. “I didn’t jump over your argument” I addressed it and moved on. You didn’t stop to read it.
      D) You think that only Christians as outlined in a book that took those commandments from another culture (again you don’t know your ancient history, look up Hammurabi’s code).
      Do not commit adultery is tough for atheists? Where the hell do you get that?
      You are truly ignorant and hysterical. The facts are that divorce and adultery are quite high among those who identify themselves as christian.

      Go away little boy. Since you can’t place nice I’m sending you home to your mommy.

  4. The big blue frog says:

    Sorry, NSC. If I’d had any idea how virulent it was, I wouldn’t have exposed you to it.

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